AmplioHexBig 2.5

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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby Caedo » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:36 pm

Looks rather nice. Though it would be even nicer if it was easily possible for roads to connect to bridges.
But... three rivers? Are you adding a normal one to the Green and Brown ones from Alien? All in one ruleset?

Though, I have to agree, only 8 different road types does limit the potential for making complex stuff.
However, if road building requirements were moved to effects.ruleset ('Road_XY_Possible' or something), Bridges and roads could be the same road type, buildable under different conditions, and they'd connect. Perhaps someone should suggest that...

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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby cazfi » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:26 pm

Caedo wrote:road building requirements were moved to effects.ruleset ('Road_XY_Possible' or something)

The "_Possible" -effects way of doing things is going away (thought the transition will be hard and possibly long). Things like this will be made via action enablers in the future. In 2.6 action enablers are limited to caravan and diplomat actions, but this road build control might get included to 3.0.

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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby GriffonSpade » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:22 am

Caedo wrote:Looks rather nice. Though it would be even nicer if it was easily possible for roads to connect to bridges.
But... three rivers? Are you adding a normal one to the Green and Brown ones from Alien? All in one ruleset?

Though, I have to agree, only 8 different road types does limit the potential for making complex stuff.


I make test rulesets primarily for editing tilesets, which means I throw everything and the kitchen sink into them, even stuff not actually intended for publication. :P

Caedo wrote:However, if road building requirements were moved to effects.ruleset ('Road_XY_Possible' or something), Bridges and roads could be the same road type, buildable under different conditions, and they'd connect. Perhaps someone should suggest that...


If this is still valid, such a connection is possible in freeciv 2.6, which is still pre-alpha.
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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby cazfi » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:56 pm

GriffonSpade wrote:I make test rulesets primarily for editing tilesets, which means I throw everything and the kitchen sink into them, even stuff not actually intended for publication. :P


You're going to hate 2.6 with limited number of extras, instead of a couple of hardcoded ones. It currently has limitation on both number of roads/bases, and total number of extras. You can have max 16 roads + 32 bases + 16 other extras, but if you have less roads or bases, you can have more other extras. I'm about to check if we could lift the separate limits for base and road counts, and have just one limit for "total number of extras".

GriffonSpade wrote:freeciv 2.6, which is still pre-alpha.


Actually, version string of S2_6 is currently 2.5.99-alpha, got changed from 2.5.99-dev when we branched.

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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby GriffonSpade » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:16 am

cazfi wrote:
GriffonSpade wrote:I make test rulesets primarily for editing tilesets, which means I throw everything and the kitchen sink into them, even stuff not actually intended for publication. :P


You're going to hate 2.6 with limited number of extras, instead of a couple of hardcoded ones. It currently has limitation on both number of roads/bases, and total number of extras. You can have max 16 roads + 32 bases + 16 other extras, but if you have less roads or bases, you can have more other extras. I'm about to check if we could lift the separate limits for base and road counts, and have just one limit for "total number of extras".


Hmm, that's a lot of bases. The increase to 16 roads is definitely nice though. I don't see using more than that being a thing. The only thing that might ever be too small is the 64 total extra limit.

cazfi wrote:
GriffonSpade wrote:freeciv 2.6, which is still pre-alpha.


Actually, version string of S2_6 is currently 2.5.99-alpha, got changed from 2.5.99-dev when we branched.


Ah, I was thinking of the format-freeze as the beginning of alpha testing.

Edit: Finally figured out what to do for rubber, the last civ3 strategic resource.
A clean chunk of latex rubber, in the form that give it the name: a gum eraser.
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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby The Square Cow » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:32 am

Good idea for rubber. However, could you move the shadow farther down, because right now it looks sort of like a brush? I should people could figure it out as it is but it might work better if the shadow was farther down.

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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby GriffonSpade » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:05 am

The Square Cow wrote:Good idea for rubber. However, could you move the shadow farther down, because right now it looks sort of like a brush? I should people could figure it out as it is but it might work better if the shadow was farther down.


I've actually since reoriented it and altered the shadow so it's more like other resources.
And I made a quick oil rig for oceanic terrain. Mostly just giving the oil derrick a platform.

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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby Caedo » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:00 pm

cazfi wrote:
GriffonSpade wrote:I make test rulesets primarily for editing tilesets, which means I throw everything and the kitchen sink into them, even stuff not actually intended for publication. :P


You're going to hate 2.6 with limited number of extras, instead of a couple of hardcoded ones. It currently has limitation on both number of roads/bases, and total number of extras. You can have max 16 roads + 32 bases + 16 other extras, but if you have less roads or bases, you can have more other extras. I'm about to check if we could lift the separate limits for base and road counts, and have just one limit for "total number of extras".

Wait, extras as in Irrigation, Mine etc. or as in Terrain Resources?

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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby cazfi » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:42 pm

Caedo wrote:Wait, extras as in Irrigation, Mine etc.


See "Extra Types" from http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/f ... in.ruleset

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Re: AmplioHexBig 2.5

Postby JTN » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:20 pm

GriffonSpade wrote:And I made a quick oil rig for oceanic terrain. Mostly just giving the oil derrick a platform.

Oh, thank you for that. That was bugging me about 2.6 (where civ2civ3 will support ocean "mines").