'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

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'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

Postby fomalhaut » Fri May 20, 2016 2:15 pm

Plague is deactivated in the classic ruleset and this is clearly indicated in city dialogues or help browser.
"illness deactivated in ruleset."
"Plague is a ruleset option, and is not enabled in the classic ruleset."

But it's incompatible with the description of Aqueduct and Sewer System.
"... and reduces the chance of plague within the city. "

Also there is "Plague" in the classic ruleset as disasters, so it's very difficult for beginners to understand.

My suggestions
* The description of Aqueduct and Sewer System should be rewritten.
* Plague should be removed from disasters.
Or, the name of Plague should be changed to another one (e.g. Cholera, Malaria or unknown virus).

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Re: 'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

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Re: 'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

Postby dunnoob » Sat May 21, 2016 5:43 pm

Cholera is fine, this could be tuned along the lines of minsize=10, present sewer system FALSE, and a higher chance to get this disaster.

Yes, it also confused me (shortly), my vague idea was to try flu, but cholera is better.

BTW, support for plague (= plague risk display) is apparently hardwired in clients, but there is no server option to enable it outside of what a ruleset says. OTOH migration is a server option, I can enable it when I feel like it, and generally I do (radius +3, 50% chance national, 10% global, frequency 5 turns; the experimental values are IMO too radical.) How about a server option also for plague? Of course it should work also for rulesets without hospital. Let alone rulesets with gene food without decent Monsanto momentum (all your farms are now deserts, oops.:twisted:)

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Re: 'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

Postby fomalhaut » Mon May 23, 2016 2:53 pm

What does "Plague" in Freeciv mean?
The plague(=Black Death), or some infectious disease?
In case particular diseases such as Cholera might also be confusing players,
other disasters such as Tornado or Drought may be suitable.

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Re: 'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

Postby dunnoob » Tue May 24, 2016 11:46 am

fomalhaut wrote:What does "Plague" in Freeciv mean?
(DEnglish alert:) Black death aka Black Plague.

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Re: 'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

Postby GriffonSpade » Fri May 27, 2016 4:08 pm

From what I can see, one is supposed to be sanitation-based bacterial diseases that come from contaminated surroundings, especially drinking water(Cholera is the biggest one historically), while the disaster is more like a contagious epidemic like flu or black death that sweeps through from person to person, kills people, then mostly goes away when people start building up a resistance to it.

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Re: 'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

Postby Eusebio Ptolomeu » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:57 pm

How exactly does plague work? I've enabled it in one of the rulesets, and now the game displays the plague probability in the city window, but I still don't know when a plague happens, or what effects it has in the game

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Re: 'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

Postby dunnoob » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:18 am

Eusebio Ptolomeu wrote:How exactly does plague work?
Should be obvious, the city shrinks (reduced population), and IIRC you get a message when it happens. If it never happens in your ruleset try experimental. Plague is one of the three reasons why I'm not playing with the experimental ruleset, IMNSHO Freeciv doesn't need even more randomness than it already has.

The other two reasons: "Dislike big land" if it doesn't allow me to fire on adjacent tiles, unfortunately "fire on" and "move to" are coupled. "Dislike monsanto", eating whales is bad enough. :( Hopefully the whales can move away in some future version, if they have had it with being abused as a resource and swimming in polluted coastal waters.

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Re: 'Plague' is very confusing in the classic ruleset

Postby Corbeau » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:06 am

Eusebio Ptolomeu wrote:the game displays the plague probability in the city window, but I still don't know when a plague happens

You need to spend around 30 seconds thinking about this :)